Conversation on "316"

Amy: Um - I mostly have questions about Lost
It's not what we know - it's what I want to know

Brandon: ok hit me. We can post the conversation on the blog

Amy: Kay
So - first off, who was the "smart man" who figured out how to find the island?
Chang?

Brandon: Mandi says Widmore

Amy: Hmmm

Brandon: he at least A. Knows it exists and B. wants to get back

Amy: That's true
Did Faraday figure out how to find the island, or did Widmore?

Brandon: Photo on the wall of the Lamp Post is a 1950's style shot of the Island with US Army labeled on it

Amy: Right

Brandon: Right, Widmore doesn't seem very technology-savvy... remember how he uses a Pager in The Economist?

Amy: Ha ha - yes

Brandon: but if he had the theory and hired Daniel to find it, he'd still be responsible, right?

Amy: That's true
Desmond doesn't feel the need to go back - why does everyone else?
How did someone get Hurley and Kate to go?

Brandon: Someone kidnapped Aaron and told her the only way she'd get him back is by returning.
Hurley... no idea.

Amy: That's what I thought - but she seems ashamed

Brandon: And what law-enforcement group wants Sayid in Guam?

Amy: Yeah...
Seems like an Oceanic/Widmore coverip
*coverup

Brandon: bottom line is this: The Island wants them back, and so they're all going back.

Amy: That's true

Brandon: As Sayid shows, it doesn't even require your cooperation.

Amy: Ha ha
No kidding
All Ben would have to do is call in some info on Sayid's jobs he did for Ben

Brandon: but Guam?

Amy: I dunno

Brandon: maybe he's being sent to a Guantanamo-type place.

Amy: That could be true

Brandon: he sees the other 6, realizes what's going on, and accepts it when compared to the alternative.

Amy: So, the island takes only the people in first class?

Brandon: and Lapidus? Good work, writers, putting him there. The intended original pilot for 815.

Amy: Yes it was
It looks like it's the Oceanic 6, plus Frank and the random police person who make it on the island

Brandon: My guess. And Hispanic Guy.

Amy: Have we seen him before?

Brandon: no

Amy: He seems vaguely familiar
...
Okay

Brandon: I'll double check

Amy: He talks to Jack in line like he knows him
Or of him

Brandon: more plausible

Amy: Could it be Widmore, putting more people on the island, like the original team sent to find the island?
And why did the first group parachute/freighter in, rather than take a flight?

Brandon: ok so the guy's name is Caesar.

Amy: Aaaahhh

Brandon: but we've never seen him before. How we know his name, no idea.
your above questions are good ones

Amy: Yeah - that's weird
Maybe Widmore has an idea about how to find the island - but he doesn't have the flight book anymore, considering he had to leave the island
So he has to find other ways
ie - Faraday

Brandon: the flight book?

Amy: The random book Eloise looks up the flight in and shows to Jack

Brandon: well that's just a list based on the results of the research at the Lamp Post cross-referenced with flight plans.

Amy: Oh

Brandon: Also, nice work with Lamp Post.
Go Narnia.

Amy: Yay!
They get the best book references in there
Okay - so Locke dies

Brandon: Ben is read The Odyssey

Amy: Does he come back alive - or join the Order of Dead People of the Island?
Ah - I was wondering what book he was reading
I could read "yss"

Brandon: he's going to resurrect. They set it up hardcore with Ben going all Christian theology on us.

Amy: That's true

Brandon: the book says "Ulysses," the Latin spelling of Odysseus.
so it could be the Illiad.

Amy: What was the loose end Ben ties up?

Brandon: the one where he's beat to a pulp?

Amy: Yeah
Sayid?

Brandon: I'm thinking a Widmore agent.

Amy: Does Aaron have to go back to the island? If so, has someone kidnapped him and taken him there?
Hmmm

Brandon: the "loose end" is probably "going to get my broken arm set"

Amy: Ha ha

Brandon: Aaron has always been considered one of the Oceanic 6, right?
and he's got that "special" thing going.
I think he's got to get there eventually.

Amy: Right
And that's probably what they told Kate
Why does Kate not want to talk about it, though?

Brandon: that bugged me. Jack's like "Okay!"

Amy: I mean, it's painful and all, but she seems ashamed, not in pain
I know - the classic Kate "I'm going to sleep with you to make you stop talking"

Brandon: haha she's nuts

Amy: Yes she is

Brandon: hmm ashamed... but why?

Amy: Maybe she thinks it's her fault they took Aaron from her
Even if it's not

Brandon: fair. But doesn't answer why she wouldn't just tell Jack.

Amy: Or the fact that she made that promise to Claire to not take Aaron back or go back herself
Right

Brandon: 1. She didn't promise Claire anything.
2. Claire only cared that Aaron not return.

Amy: Hmmm

Brandon: 3. Claire was some kinda hallucination. :)

Amy: Ha ha
Or on the side of the island that doesn't want them to come back

Brandon: right
The heck is with Jin?

Amy: I have no idea
How could he be around long enough between jumps to put on a dharma suit and get a dharma van?

Brandon: no kidding
like I said in my post, he acts 100% Dharma
even alone
which means he's bought into the Dharma context of "There are hostiles here, anyone not Dharma is a threat."
which means he's probably experienced a hostile attack?

Amy: Yeah
How did he have time in between jumps?
Or maybe when the Oceanic 6 come back, the people are stuck in the time period they've jumped to?

Brandon: assume the jumps come at random intervals... maybe they're stuck in a really long one

Amy: That could be true

Brandon: because the 6 have been back for like 5 minutes.

Amy: But I thought the problem was they were moving too fast

Brandon: me, too, and maybe they still do
just this is an abnormally long one

Amy: Hmmm

Brandon: once it's done, back to quick skips

Amy: Does it seem like Jin knows them/
?

Brandon: yes
he's surprised and recognizant
but how would the Losties and Freighter folk infiltrate Dharma?
do any of them have contacts with the organization?
Juliet might could fake it....

Amy: Didn't you think they recruited people from crashes and such?
Pretend you've crashed and you're golden
But all we saw was Jin who infiltrated Dharma

Brandon: no, the Others do that.
Dharma brings their people in on boats, apparently.

Amy: Maybe Dharma does it, too

Brandon: Ben and Roger

Amy: Hee hee
Roger Workman

Brandon: we saw Jin and Faraday acting Dharma.
not a leap to assume the rest get in, too

Amy: Faraday looked like he was just sneaking in, though

Brandon: true
the Jin thing comes from just about nowhere.

Amy: Yup

Brandon: annoyed at the "Hey look, Jack, Hurley, and Kate made it back! Now let's show you how they did it!"
meh

Amy: Ha ha - you didn't care that much?
Except they DON'T tell you how they make it back, really - what lead up to Hurley and Kate going back

Brandon: much like next week's "Hey here's what Locke did from Locke's perspective! You already know he spent a lot of time trying to convince the others to go back, then killed himself, but here it is live!"

Amy: Yeah

Brandon: it just feels like they're wasting time

Amy: Maybe it's vacation time
;)

Brandon: when Jack is sitting there with Locke's suicide note for like five minutes before he opened it I got annoyed

Amy: Or it was when it was being written
Ha ha
No kidding

Brandon: I wish you had believed me? Really?
lamest note ever

Amy: Were those the magic words, or did he just happen to read them right when the window opened?
Ha ha - especially a suicide not
*note

Brandon: super obvious

Amy: Not "Say these magic words and drink a bottle of vodka:"

Brandon: Mandi did theorize that Ms. Hawking represents the fusion of science and faith. A Locke/Jack hybrid.

Amy: Huh - it's true
Although it kind of seems the church is a front for the Lamp Post

Brandon: Hawking believes.

Amy: That God controls the island?
Oh - she believes in SOMEthing, not necessarily faith in God
Gotcha

Brandon: just believes. It's like in Serenity where Book tells Mal to just believe in something.

Amy: Right

Brandon: Ms. Hawking controls the Lamp Post. Was it forcibly taken from Dharma, or is she part of them?

Amy: Good question
I think she took it over after everyone from the Initiative dies

Brandon: lots of Dharma on the mainland.

Amy: It seems she was part of the original Dharma initiative
Yeah

Brandon: so part of the original... but Dharma seeks to exploit the Island, contrary to the goals of the Others.

Amy: That's true - I think she's kind of a cross and set apart from it all
She doesn't trust Ben completely, but helps him get back to the Island
I like the "Keeper of Time" theory

Brandon: haha that was the best. "Is he lying?" "Probably."

Amy: It was awesome

Brandon: note he lies about his mother teaching him how to read
and about knowing Locke killed himself.

Amy: Right - but I think he's just tongue in cheek about the reading thing

Brandon: he was, but it's still a lie

Amy: Yeah

Brandon: a meaningless, compulsive lie

Amy: I think he's a compulsive liar

Brandon: me, too.

Amy: Sometimes it just comes out

Brandon: right.